The Curious Musician Interview: Stew Herrera

Greetings and welcome to The Curious Musician! This is a space where we will explore creativity and curiosity by interviewing a host of interesting and notable people for chewy conversations and some great concert stories too. 

In today's episode I am joined by Stew Herrera, who has a long history in radio from legendary station KNAC to KLOS, who lists production and imaging director, first-string utility jock, unofficial station mascot, content supplier, and resident grammar and fashion police enforcer under his resume. Stew and I have shared many epic concerts and good times bodyboarding in the ocean as well. Stew is also an avid bicyclist who’s been known to ride from Big Sur to SoCal in one trip. A good man, tried and true. Always a fun conversation to be had!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:02

I'm here with my good buddy Stu Herrera, and I've known Stu for a while, and I'm going to tell you the story about that, Stu. Stu has been involved in radio here, rock radio, KLOS and K KNAC before that. And so I feel like Stu, you have a really unique perspective on music and also on the state of radio. And we don't have to get into an entire discussion on the state of radio, which I know is never uh great, especially nowadays. But um I want to mention the party that I met you at to start the conversation. So we were at a Mike Gurley uh holiday party, right? Right. Mike Gurley, for those of you who don't know, is a wonderful guitar player and singer with the band Data, and also on his own with uh his own project and iCat. And so the two most important things that happened that night. One, I met you, which is awesome. And two, um, Mike Gurley got up on guitar and he sat there and he played sand jazz bands. He'd been playing jazz, but I hadn't really heard him do that. And I remember he played and sang Embraceable You. And I'm watching him going, man, you know, that's a really it's a tricky melody. It's not the kind of melody you'd hear in pop and rock, and he got very unique over the course. And I remember thinking that's probably why he is such a great melodic singer and writer, and so great with his pitch. And no, it's because he's singing this very uh rich material. So around that time I'd started playing at the Valley Ragtime Stomp, and I started to learn standards, which I had never touched before, and now I've gone through years of playing standards, and it's helped in that same way. But I remember that was the light bulb moment.

SPEAKER_03 1:45

I would also I would also point out that the other important thing that happened that night was you actually sat down at the at the piano that night and played your own standard. And uh that standard was The Trooper by Iron Maiden, and that was like I was already like, who's that cool cat over there? He's rocking some media detective rocking.

SPEAKER_02 2:03

Um somebody's gonna walk over and be like, I gotta meet you.

SPEAKER_03 2:05

I'm like, hey man, you're my guy. What's up, bro?

SPEAKER_02 2:08

You're playing the trooper on you know we'd seen Iron Maiden together.

SPEAKER_03 2:13

Yes, yes, yes, we have. But anyway, not to you know divert you too much, but yeah, man, Michael is a monstrous player, and is I mean, I couldn't even I'm not equipped to even articulate, you know, what it is that he's got, but his um his rocket sauce is a never-ending full bottle all the time. Uh he can seemingly do anything, and it's um we are so lucky that we know about him and we have enjoyed the fruits of his labor for many years. Yeah. And how did you meet him? And I uh how did you meet him? And it's a shame that he's not a bigger name. How did I meet Michael? Um Michael uh came in to KLOS and uh on the Mark and Bryan show. That's how I met him, but I already knew uh I I came in late on Dada, and um it was El Subliminoso.

SPEAKER_00 3:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 3:05

And the single had come uh well I think the first single was like um uh class of um class of 2009, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 3:14

Which is my least favorite song on that record.

SPEAKER_03 3:16

Or one of the it wasn't class of 2009. Anyway, it doesn't matter. The single was out, and I was like, wow, that's that's different, that's really cool. And I think I jumped into the whole album, like, what this is amazing! And then they came in and I was like just you know, taken like room, all right.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

So uh and then that album got lost for years, and finally it's back on streaming, and maybe we'll get a vinyl release or something, you know.

SPEAKER_03 3:39

That would be nice. Um, yeah, I have my uh original. I I think I have I may have more than one IRS copy of uh sub leave me know. So it it's hard to pick one favorite for me now, but for a long time that was the my favorite record.

SPEAKER_02 3:53

Same, same. Yeah, um and a great band if anybody has not listened to Dada. So, Stu, let me let me go back. You grew up in Southern California, yeah? Orange County, Point of Park, and when you were coming up, um what was radio in your mind? Because obviously, to become a DJ, at some point you become aware of radio or you get into listening to uh radio. What was your exposure?

SPEAKER_03 4:17

Probably uh probably daily. Um we always there was always music on, and uh I had a brother who's eight years older than me, and he um really fed a lot of you know that the music of the day to me. He was the guy who probably originally had the radio on. And uh yeah, uh those earliest memories for me of like are are of K-E-Z-Y-A-M. Um and I I don't I can I don't remember all the DJs, but I do remember Wolfman Jack was on it. And yeah, you know, all of the rock-oriented pop music that was coming out, you know, uh during the early mid-late 70s. Um, you know, I was born in 68, so I would say by I know for sure by like 73 I was into it. I I got a a little transistor radio for Christmas from my uncle one year, and I'm I have it in my brain that I was five.

unknown 5:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 5:13

I couldn't have been much more than that. And like the I think I dialed it, I figured out how to get it onto the radio, and like don't call us, we'll call you was on. I remember distinctly uh Jerry Sugarloaf and Sugarloaf. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:27

Nice what other songs remind you of that of that transistor radio? What other songs do you remember coming out of that speaker?

SPEAKER_03 5:34

Oh man. Probably anything that George Harrison was up to at that time, and I don't know why I'm picking him out of the ether. Um came to mind.

SPEAKER_02 5:42

That's what we like.

SPEAKER_03 5:44

Yeah, um man, uh all of the um all of the the um the Jim Croce and the the um oh man oh oh um uh uh Gordon Lightfoot. Yeah Gordon Lightfoot was big on the radio in those days. Yeah. I mean there's uh geez, man. It brings you back. It's just all of it, all of it. Uh um what's the guy? Um Alone Again Naturally, Gilbert O'Sullivan was all over the radio in that at that around that time.

SPEAKER_02 6:18

What would be a song that you would wait for? Because that back then to find a song, you know, if you wanted to hear it, you had to wait for it to come up on the radio. What would be a song you would eagerly wait for?

SPEAKER_03 6:27

You know, that's an interesting question. I'm not sure that I eagerly waited for a song because I think it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 6:32

Okay, what about in the cassette taping years? Did you ever wait to tape a song off the radio with cassette?

SPEAKER_03 6:37

Yeah, I I I had made a lot of cassettes off the radio in those days. I was such a weirdo though. I would just like you know, record off of I I think I actually still have the cassette um from like K-Rock. Uh, because at that point by that point that I'd had a cassette deck that would do that, I was I was older, and so you know, things had changed. And I remember I would I would hit pause in between the verses, like in between the the lines of people singing. So I would have this stupid weird, you know, intra-song mashup, which was just lyric to lyric to lyric to lyric, just to be a weirdo and see what it would do. I would scream into it and do all kinds of weird shit.

SPEAKER_02 7:18

Right on. So at what point um do were you uh aware of that there was a concert scene and found your way to a concert either with your parents or the first time you went on your own volition?

SPEAKER_03 7:31

Yeah, the first um well, I'd been wanting to go to concerts for probably for a while. Um, but the first concert I you know had to go to, and somehow I was allowed to, because I was getting in a lot of trouble those days. I wasn't allowed to do a lot of stuff. Mom and dad had a iron grip uh on Stu. But uh I convinced them to let me go to Supertramp as long as my brother took me. And so I saw the famous Last Words show at the forum. It was I still remember, yeah. I was I mean that that that tour and those shows are very well documented, greatly, and yeah, I was it was a good one to start with.

SPEAKER_02 8:08

Yeah. Well, um when so you know, obviously, people outside of Hollywood, I grew up in Florida, people know there was this sunset strip scene, and then a lot of those bands started up really early 80s after the new wave of British heavy metal started coming over. Yeah, I'm sure at that age, being in a rock and roll, some of those bands coming over in the pre-MTV days might have hit your radar. And I'm curious as to how the sunset strip scene kind of came on your radar as a local.

SPEAKER_03 8:37

Yeah, um, I don't think I really realized what was going on. I kind of, you know, the the phrase behind the orange curtain is kind of overused and meaningless today, but it had real meaning back in, you know, I graduated high school in '85, and um as soon as I got a car, I wanted to go explore. I wanted to go see what was, you know, let's go up Wilshire Boulevard, or I'm not Wilshire, uh let's go up um uh um oh whatever, one of the streets, uh uh Whittier Boulevard, and let's see where Whittier goes. And my buddies were like, dude, you know way. Like everybody that I in my neighborhood and that my buddies from high school were like, they thought I was nuts. They're like the dangerous. I don't know. They I I I don't remember I don't remember what was going on, but whatever. The news always reports the worst stuff. It's like don't you know don't get your uh don't get your marching orders from Connie Chung. Let's go. So anyway, I'm I drove up there and then I think I spotted you know the mayhem on Sunset Boulevard. Like, what what is this? Yeah. Um within a couple, two, three years, I got a job um working at the Troubadour. So I was but you know, the Troubadour is you know, not even uh uh what most people consider walking distance from the strip. So I was down on Santa Monica, mixing bands, changing the you know, I didn't really get to take part too often in what was going on on the side. Um I did, and you know what's weird is that it's hard to remember a lot of them. I do remember, um, let me just pick one out of the um uh uh Christian Nesmith, Mike Nesmith's son, uh had a band called Off that were incredible, at least to my memory. Yeah, they were on it, they were really good. Pardon the pun. Um and uh gosh, who else came through? A lot of metal bands. Laws Rocket put on a pretty fun show. There was a band that came in many times called Creature that was a big deal at that time. What happened to them? You know, uh their drummer is uh making a noise still. Johnny Lust is uh going by uh maybe he's still going by Lust, and he's in Vegas banging away, you know, all right, flying the flag. Um uh uh Funhouse was another band that was making a big noise at that time. And I was just um like a week or two ago at Rhino Bucket at the Whiskey, and their bass player is the cat from Funhouse.

SPEAKER_00 11:08

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 11:08

I met him I that might have been like the first or second night I ever worked at the Troubadour. Those guys were on stage and they were they were really cool guys.

SPEAKER_02 11:15

Was there ever a show at the Troubadour that you remember where a band that you didn't care about or didn't know or had dismissed came in and blew and kind of blew you away or made an impression?

SPEAKER_03 11:26

No, not really. I have to admit, I um I was uh on staff at the Troubadour Troubadour for like uh like maybe eight months, I think.

SPEAKER_00 11:38

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_03 11:38

Um, and so they were great times, and I'd learned a lot and saw a lot, but I don't remember a band that I'd already formed an opinion about uh you know coming in and changing my mind.

SPEAKER_02 11:51

So what up on the strip? Like when you started going to those clubs that were up there and seeing bands, were there bands that either you had discovered the record and went to see them because you knew the music, or bands where you walked in and were like, oh my gosh, these guys are great.

SPEAKER_03 12:03

That happened so many times. I've always yeah, I've I've so many bands have made a fan of me just by like, wow, going to see him. There were gosh, and I'm and I'm struggling to think of of one, you know. Um, shoot. I think maybe the first time I saw Faster Pussycat, I didn't really or well, I didn't, I hadn't got it until I saw him.

SPEAKER_02 12:24

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_03 12:24

Um, and they were great, but that wasn't in a club, that was but that was at a show. Um yeah, I it's it should be a lot easier for me to name those episodes because right now I'm just coming up with the one where I was thinking, I don't really like this band, but I'm gonna see him. Right. And I don't want to name the name. But when I saw him, I was like, wow, you're worse than I ever thought you'd be.

SPEAKER_02 12:49

It happens, man. Oh yeah, yeah, that was there a band back in those days that you missed and you look back and like, man, I just I never saw him and I wish I did.

SPEAKER_03 12:59

Well, I I missed the original years with David Lee Roth. Didn't get to see Van, you know, Eddie with Dave on stage until what was that, 2007, the first reunion show? Right. Yeah, before um different kind of truth came out. Yeah, gosh, you know, I've I've seen a billion bands. Um most of them, or many of them I've forgotten, not most of them, but uh yeah, I don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:27

What's it what's a show you still talk about today from your youth that you just bring up every now and then because it just left um a real mark on you.

SPEAKER_03 13:36

Uh gosh, that happens a lot. Um first time well, um, the first time I saw Iron Maiden was on the Power Slave tour. That was a powerful experience. Um, I remember Twisted Sister opened up and I was um, you know what? This answers your previous question. I was like not into Twisted Sister. I don't know. I had a chip on my shoulder about them. I brought eggs to the show. No, I was yeah, I was prepared, like, please forgive me. I was 14, what was I? Old enough to know better, but dumb enough to not care. And they're like, oh my god, I did not even touch those eggs. I brought them in a bag and I just left them in a seat. Like, there is no way I'm throwing anything at that stage. Those guys are killing, or they're they're kicking ass. And that dude, D. Snyder, will come up here and kill me if I throw anything at him. Um, but anyway, yeah, the maiden show was a big one. Um, golly, man.

SPEAKER_02 14:38

Um where were you seeing shows?

SPEAKER_03 14:42

Oh, here's another here's a good one. Um uh the first time I saw Blues Traveler at the House of Blues on sunset, yeah, I was just there. I was interested in a girl who was at AM, and we were out on the balcony outside, you know, talking, and the show started, and I was you know marginally interested to see them. I figured I'd go in, you know, in my sweet time. And we're talking, and I hear what's going on inside, and I keep getting distracted. And finally, I was just like, I'm sorry, I gotta go in there. Like, it sounds like Ingve Malmstein learned how to play harmonica and Chet Chinchilla. I mean, dude, they were unbelievable. Nobody really talks about them, but Jesus, they were they were absolutely killer back then. You know, I'm sure we still are.

SPEAKER_02 15:29

You yeah, you you and I could put together a list of bands that, you know, whether or not they could have been huge, for whatever reason had that one or two albums and fell off. Um, and I was talking to my buddy Mark Ferrari about Badlands, a band you know, just for a moment.

SPEAKER_03 15:47

Oh my god. Yeah, I could go on about Badlands for a while.

SPEAKER_02 15:52

What are some other bands from the 80s into early 90s that you still have the record, still listen to it, still lament that that's all you got, you know?

SPEAKER_03 16:04

Man, you put me on the spot here. Of course.

SPEAKER_02 16:08

I'll give you one that I not everybody knows. Do you remember a band called Cat Nando?

SPEAKER_03 16:12

Oh, yeah, man. Sure. Dave King. That was yeah, they were killer. I saw them. I saw them at the Troubadour after I'd already left. And like to I think that's maybe like the one and only time. One of the biggest concerts that I just missed, and it killed me inside was Maiden on Pizza Mind, where it was uh Fast Way, Saxon, and Maiden. Like, that is a show to and I was probably on restriction or grounded or something. Tricky. Yeah, um, that was a good one.

SPEAKER_02 16:39

Yeah, no, Catney and do at the Troubadour, that's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_03 16:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:44

Um yeah, no, sometimes you know, I have like just a special place in my heart for certain records, and maybe it was when they came out, like collision.

SPEAKER_03 16:51

Thank you. Yeah, I um I love the collision record. I I have a I kind of dip into my CD collection. So if you don't have the collision CD, I don't think you're gonna be listening to Collision. It's way out of print, and I'd be pretty surprised if it came back to print.

SPEAKER_02 17:07

I don't know that it's yeah, on my uh when my house burned down, which whether people out there know or or not that happened, I lost all my CDs and I've collected my records for the most part again, but CDs I uh I don't even have a player anymore.

SPEAKER_03 17:19

Yeah, they're tough. Well, if you need a copy of Collision, I know I got one somewhere. I also have the one with the Course. Yeah, yeah, Course is the name of that record. Um and somewhere I have that too. I got you know, I got a lot of so listen.

SPEAKER_02 17:38

So I want to do something. I have a bunch of records here, and I'm gonna flip them up, and I want uh a story, a thought, a reminiscence, and I'm gonna start with a band that we are very excited to see.

SPEAKER_03 17:49

Oh, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02 17:51

Triumph. So talk to me about Triumph and uh when you first saw them, or you you actually that answers the other question.

SPEAKER_03 17:59

Name a band that I never got to see, Triumph. I never got to see them. Um I should have run away from home the weekend of the US Festival as I would have been able to to at least have that memory.

SPEAKER_02 18:10

You knew that was going on.

SPEAKER_03 18:11

You had friends that were going and stuff, the neighborhood was empty. Uh huh. All you needed was 20 bucks and a ride to San Bernardino, you know, a ride out to Glen Helen. And uh yeah, I knew it was a non-starter, but um, yeah, that actually my my I have a really soft spot for Never Surrender. I love that record.

SPEAKER_02 18:31

And when those songs were on the radio, man, I was Are you cool with the whole like expanded musicians, Phil X bringing it all to life with all that?

SPEAKER_03 18:39

Yeah, I didn't even know that was happening. I just happened upon it a couple weeks ago on YouTube, and I was like, What? Oh my god, my boy is in there like he should be, of course. He you know, stepped in for Rick back in the day. Yeah, yeah, it's beautiful, it's really cool.

SPEAKER_02 18:52

And it's and it gives the music like the treatment, you know. And the the guys in triumph, I'm sure they could do it as a trio, but yeah, flush it out to have Phil X come in and sing those high harmonies and stuff, just yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 19:04

No, it's it's great.

SPEAKER_02 19:06

I'm gonna bring up uh a couple more records here. Let's talk about Mr. Squire here.

SPEAKER_03 19:10

Uh yeah, man. People don't realize how huge Billy Squire was. Shea Stadium, dude. I mean, he sold out Shay Stadium in the blink of an eye, uh, when when he was you know hitting it, right?

SPEAKER_02 19:25

And um he's kind of falling off the radar. You know, he doesn't tour really now.

SPEAKER_03 19:29

Yeah, he's uh enjoying his private life. Hey man, he earned it. I don't know what to say about it. I um he did put out a like a very stripped-down blues um treatment. I think it was a live record, even, and um it didn't really uh trigger my you know good feels. Uh well, I shouldn't.

SPEAKER_02 19:46

Back in the day, he was definitely, I mean, and uh to me that music still holds up.

SPEAKER_03 19:51

Oh, completely. Completely. Yeah, I um I love that one. I love emotions in motion um just as much too. God, those are so killer records. And yeah, he'd be on um what was it, uh like like one of those Kirchhner's rock concerts or something. There was a lot of live footage of him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:10

All the stroke and all those videos were all live concert, and I just remember like it seemed like a very exciting show to go to.

SPEAKER_03 20:16

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:18

Um, all right, let's let's talk about a particular record.

SPEAKER_03 20:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:23

Um, what do you think of this record here?

SPEAKER_03 20:25

Um, I have it right there uh in my CD stash. I don't put it on all the time, but I do put it on, and um you know what can you say about any of those records? It's great. It's interesting for us in the States that that record came out uh either it was either uh between Back and Black and For Whom the Belt, um Wow, uh for those about to rock, or right after For Those About to Rock, I think.

SPEAKER_02 20:48

Well, this one this was the I mean this was before this was let's see.

SPEAKER_03 20:53

Well, that's that's 76, right? I think that's where that when that came out in Australia, but that didn't get released uh domestically in the states until um the record label was trying to capitalize.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

And it was like a different order of songs, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:07

And um, oh man, there's there's so many some bangers on that one.

SPEAKER_02 21:11

Squealer.

SPEAKER_03 21:12

Yeah, squealer right on.

SPEAKER_02 21:15

I'm gonna guess. Is this your favorite Van Halen album?

SPEAKER_03 21:19

Dude, I was listening to it today. We were in the driveway. We were in the driveway chain doing some work on my Jeep, and uh my buddy had the greatest hits on. And uh finally I was like, dude, I can't hear ain't talking about love anymore. I go, put on, put let please dial up some albums. So we listened to Women and Children First two times, then we listened to Fair Warning two times while we got the whole job done. Um it's tough. It's tough to pick one, but that's usually the one that I say first. Yeah, and then I'm like, well, then I don't know because number two, number one. Yeah, and two and women and children first, and you know, you know, well, you can't you can't ignore nineteen eighty. You can't ignore the debut.

SPEAKER_02 22:02

So many good records. And that's a band that had very few um songs that were you know B cuts or I'd say there are zero. Right.

SPEAKER_03 22:12

I'd say one foot out the door is just as valid for me as you know Mean Streets. I love it.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

Yeah, no, I'm I'm I'm with you. And look, that that's a classic era. You'll never see a band like that again.

SPEAKER_03 22:24

Yeah, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_02 22:25

Um, how about this record?

SPEAKER_03 22:28

Hmm. Um, you know, not a big presence in my life personally, but uh, I mean, talk about a big rec. That's what you want to do if you what is that their third record, I think, right? Yeah, 7800 Fahrenheit. Yeah. Uh hey, I'm glad it's there because my buddy Phil is, you know, killing it in that band, and you know, I'm I'm very happy for him. Um, but there was, you know what? Actually, when New Jersey came out, I was like, yeah, I really love that homebound train. Dude, that's some serious rock. I got no problem with that. And I saw I saw them at Irvine Meadows um with uh Europe opening up for them. So you know what, man, yeah, I I you know I don't put on Bon Jovi really today, but uh you know, I'm not gonna diss them. They're great.

SPEAKER_02 23:16

No, and in its day, I mean great shows, great, like fun atmosphere. The songs were great, living on a prayer, singing along. I mean, absolutely before you got burned out on it for 40 years.

SPEAKER_03 23:26

Yeah, you know, that's the that's the thing about you know, radio and mass media and stuff. They they you know, they just laser in uh on on two songs and I kind of throw away the rest of them.

SPEAKER_02 23:39

So I I I have a thought for you. I don't want I I'll break from the albums for a moment. A lot of times growing up, rock radio again would play the same songs over and over again. And after a while, the older guys would be like, hey, it's boring, it's the same old stuff. And I would say there's a 15-year-old kid who just tuned in and heard sweet home Alabama for the first time or heard Scared Header for the first time.

SPEAKER_03 24:02

Yeah, we've had that discussion before.

SPEAKER_02 24:04

So it's like there's a service to make sure that people here be the most accessible come to get in. Because we don't have a gym lad going, hey, okay, this is accessible to love. We're gonna put purple haze aside. I want you to hear one radio, you know, and this is why you need to hear it. You know, without that curation, somebody's in the classic rock radio, which now classic rock can be in the 90s or the 2000s. Yeah, that's true. Um, you know, you you want to be able to deliver that for new listeners. So I think there's a there's a purpose, a valid purpose, while at the same time, there should be an alternate station for people who are bored with Sweet Home Alabama and want Curtis Lowe or Needle in the Spoon and some depth in the catalog.

SPEAKER_03 24:48

I you know, I I compare it to um our jazz station, K Jazz. Like I don't know how often they play the Chuck Mangioni hit, right? Or you know, kinda blue or whatever, but like it's a little different though. They got a whole universe of jazz that like I've no I've can safely say that I've almost never heard the same song over there twice, right? And that's you know, the whole uh business model radio audience thing hits, though, yeah. Is a whole different thing. Yeah, I know. And I'm like, you know, people would say, used to say, or still do say, like, you know, jazz was the rock of its day, yeah, in the sense that you know, there was this whole genre, and people really into the artists, and you know, they knew they like it was for music for musicians and people who love music, yeah. And that's where you and me live. We love rock music, we love all music. But you know, my my my home base is of course, you know, 4-4 rock, doesn't have to be 4-4, but you know what I'm saying. Totally. And and I would love to see a radio station that serves us the way K Jazz serves its audience.

SPEAKER_02 26:05

I love that. Man, you know, uh, it could be customized channels for everybody, and nobody gets that one station, but it'd be great if it was uh a renaissance in radio.

SPEAKER_03 26:15

Yeah, you know, you've got these these services, Spotify and the other ones that like think that they know what you want to hear based on what you've heard before. Every time they're wrong, like at least with that.

SPEAKER_02 26:26

There's also something about hearing a song on the radio and knowing that.

SPEAKER_03 26:30

Yeah, everyone's listening to it right now. Yeah, there's a tribal thing, and going back to Ladd, you know, we got the tribe, we're around the fire. And you know, dude, that's what I have tried to do, you know, in my own little way, you know, show that I used to have and stuff. Like I love it. I would put those, I would put those in-between songs on, and like, here's why this song matters, or you know, my guests would come. I remember one night I had Stephen Perkins on, and um he uh, you know, I told him, Yeah, let's play. What do you want to play? We you know, pick a song. And he goes, Um, he goes, Do you know um the uh Black Sabbath song, Disturbing the Priest off Born Again? I almost fell over. I'm like, dude, I love Born Again. People people really slag that record, probably almost the most slaggable Black Sabbath record. It's one of my absolute favorites. And and when he asked me to play that song, I was just be over the moon. Yeah. So we disturbed the priest.

SPEAKER_02 27:27

So let me ask you a quick question. So Jane's Addiction, I feel, was a very pivotal band that doesn't get the recognition for kind of opening a door that not every band could step through, but definitely being very influential to certain bands. And a lot of the metal bands they not only couldn't get through that door, but once the Nirvana door opened, you know, you couldn't change too much and you lose where you were, and if you stayed the same, it seemed almost clownish compared to that. The grunt sound coming in. What was when did Jane's addiction come on your radar? And did you realize at the time that they were important?

SPEAKER_03 28:03

I got a copy of Nothing Shocking in 1988, and yeah, it was like nothing else that I had heard. I didn't know what to make of it at first.

SPEAKER_01 28:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:14

Um, I had some friends whose opinions I really valued, and they were singing the gospel, and I'm like, okay, what am I missing? Let me put it on again. Like, I listened to it a lot, and yeah, it finally caught with me. Um, I didn't recognize it that it was gonna like change the game for so many musicians the way that it did, but I loved it. I remember listening to it on a road trip with my my mom and dad, and mom was asleep, and um the I forget which uh which song it is that starts with Perry Fair or somebody in the band saying, Everybody's so full of shit. Yeah. My dad heard and he's like, That guy just said everybody's full. I'm like, Yeah, dad.

SPEAKER_02 28:55

Is he wrong, dad?

SPEAKER_03 28:57

They are. Um, and Taylor Hawkins. Um we have an interview with him. Gosh, who was he even talking to? Somebody on Kale OS. And for him, like he really loved James Addiction because uh for the for all those same reasons, he's like it was just so stagnant and stale and and you know, and getting cartoonish and comical, and James Addiction just came in and bang, just blew blew the door down and made made it made things interesting and unpredictable.

SPEAKER_02 29:28

And so but before that happened, let's talk about a few bands that were very important and maybe now in the popular sphere, don't you know, because we talk about like like when we talked about Bon Jovi, Billy Squire, how big he was back then, you know. Yeah, people don't realize now, and the music still sounds good, but the importance has left us a little bit. So how about some scorpions?

SPEAKER_03 29:51

Oh man, I love that record so much. It's a little goofy. A couple of the songs like Bad Boys Running Wild is a little cringy lyrically, but dude. Um, yeah, yeah, maybe. Um I but jeez, I remember that record came out, man. It was massive. And the first track out of the gate was Rocky Like a Hurricane. I'll never forget. I was listening to it was probably lad. I was listening to my room in Fullerton, and that song came on, and like, whoa. I mean, I was already, I was such a fan already. Yep. Um, and and like, you know, bracing myself to like, oh, you know, is this please don't disappoint me.

SPEAKER_02 30:33

If you were to try to put a top 20 guitar riffs of all time, like opening guitar riffs, would Rocky Like a Hurricane make it in there?

SPEAKER_03 30:42

I you know, I'm not sure if I would think of it to put it in there, but the moment that somebody said it to me, I'm like, oh shit, this is gonna be harder than I think. I'm gonna have to change my list because yeah, that is a that is uh a line in the sand.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

So I'm I'm gonna give you a record now that has to me one of the top 10 or 20 great, great guitar openers, and that would be oh, lay it down, dude.

SPEAKER_03 31:09

You can't, I mean, how can you touch that? I don't know if that riff is Warren's or Robin's, but like I think it's Warren's. Is it?

SPEAKER_02 31:18

I think so, because I remember in the video, I think it's him playing at the beginning.

SPEAKER_03 31:21

Dude, Warren doesn't get the credit, you know. I I love the lore of, you know, and it's not even talked about rat versus Van Halen. And we can go into that, but it it's immaterial to the to what you're bringing up right now. Yeah. That riff and that song are so perfect, yeah, and yeah, it's just in your face.

SPEAKER_02 31:42

When did you first hear or see rat?

SPEAKER_03 31:45

It was a long time before I saw Rat. Um, for some reason I didn't get to see him in their prime. Um man.

SPEAKER_02 31:54

I had a sister who was in love with Steven Petercy, so I had to take her to Rat every single time.

SPEAKER_03 32:00

Oh, yeah? So you saw them in their yeah?

SPEAKER_02 32:02

I saw Rat a lot of times. Um Rat and Poison, Rat and Bon Jovi. You know, all the different packages that would go out. You know, some of them would come to you with different openers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In Florida, we had a great place called the Hollywood Sportatorium that was like way out in the middle of nowhere. Now it's all paved in apartments and stuff, but you could drive like miles out into the accelerates, and there was this old airplane hangar of a building.

SPEAKER_03 32:27

Yeah, that's that's another answer to that question. Who did I miss in you know, in the heyday that I wish I'd seen? Yeah, absolutely rad. What a crowd that must have been.

SPEAKER_02 32:37

I'm gonna keep keep the albums coming.

SPEAKER_03 32:39

Okay. Oh, yeah. I haven't listened to that one in too long. I need to put draw the line on. Um, yeah, Bright Light Right, and obviously draw the line are oh my god, Kings and Queens. Why didn't no one plays that?

SPEAKER_02 32:53

Great song. It was on their greatest hits. I mean, they knew that. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_03 32:56

I I used to play it.

SPEAKER_02 32:58

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 32:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:07

I love lightning strikes rocking a hard place. That the hits that brought them back, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um good. Did you see them early on in the day?

SPEAKER_03 33:17

The first time I think I saw Aerosmith on either uh pump. Uh oh no, no, no. I saw Done with Mirrors.

SPEAKER_00 33:26

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 33:27

I saw the Done with Mirrors show out in a in at a place called the Orange Pavilion that's uh like out San Bernardino Riverside or something like that. YT opens 1985. Dude, the crowd was absolutely crushing itself to death in front of uh in front of the stage. At one point, Tyler had to stop the show and say, Every you guys, no wonder we can't hear you. You can't make any sound because your lungs are all squashed. He's like, take a few steps back before you know fire marshal calls the show. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was it was nuts. It was a really killer show, and that was that was powerful stuff.

SPEAKER_02 34:02

And they they um they could have taken themselves out with uh you know all the issues that they had, and it's kind of amazing that they're still, you know, they they came back and then have a really long second career almost, you know. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely and Janie's gun and all that.

SPEAKER_03 34:17

I mean uh talk about a band that just kept coming back, just would not wouldn't let you know FU be FU because I mean fist fights, calling outs, the wives were fighting. I mean, like they had every reason to like stop. Yeah, I'm so glad that they figured out how to work and even into their later career, you know, and I know they've had issues and stuff, and God bless him, man. I absolutely love that band. Yeah, I will always love Aerosmith.

SPEAKER_02 34:48

A hundred percent.

SPEAKER_03 34:50

Um yeah. That's the one I listened to. Yeah, that's the one I listened to also. I should know more of his um his catalog. And um the one with blow by blow. Wired, wired. I should get down with wired some more often, but blow by blow is just a cla. I mean, whatever, it's an overused, meaningless phrase. It's a classic, but it's it goes through so many colors, it goes through so many moods, you know, um from uh because we've parted as friends to freeway jam. Yeah, right? I mean, it's a beautiful record. And um, you know, people pay Jimmy, uh people paid Jeff Beck um, you know, like a lot of lip service. But if you take the time and like actually listen to the records, I and not even his solo records, like going back to listening to Bex Bolero and stuff, it's like I I guess I'm I mean I want to say it's timeless. It it is timeless to me.

SPEAKER_02 35:52

I mean, it's a it's though that album's not it's it's not a genre, it's all genres. There's fun, yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 35:59

You know, everything's yeah, and what I was gonna say was like that Bex Bolero in particular is is like timeless in a way, even though it is very much a record of its day in terms of production and the sound of it and stuff, but like I don't know, it's just got this dramatic, you know, Lawrence of Arabia kind of vibe to it. Uh I don't know, maybe that's just me, but it's really a special. He's so many great records, and yeah, I'm woefully uh underexposed to most of his catalog.

SPEAKER_02 36:29

I'm I feel like I would describe his style as stumbling into perfection. Like everything that happens, he's just kind of yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:37

I don't know how much he stumbled into. That dude was gnarly. No pick.

SPEAKER_02 36:42

Yeah, no, right, no pick.

SPEAKER_03 36:44

Yeah, and like the and even the way that he would that he would you know finger the his his um you know his strumming hand. Yeah, very unique. Just uh unto himself.

SPEAKER_02 36:54

Yeah, uh uh agreed, unto himself. Like there's nobody like him.

SPEAKER_03 36:58

Nobody.

SPEAKER_02 36:59

Um gonna take a left turn.

SPEAKER_03 37:02

I thought that right. Uh yeah, that's you know, I should um let me borrow that.

SPEAKER_02 37:08

Oh yeah, you definitely should borrow this. This I love this record, and the yeah, the drumming on it, especially is very tight. Um I'm gonna take a left turn into comedy. Were you a fan of business Martin?

SPEAKER_03 37:20

Yeah, that's yeah. Um somewhere I have a CD that uh um was made for me. Uh it features and and the reason it was made for me is because I was going through a very angry time in my life. It was just everything, I don't know, I was under a lot of pressure. Who knows? Here's a CD you can put on, and it's chock full of Steve Martin, and uh it worked.

SPEAKER_02 37:43

It worked. Um and people don't know, I mean, people know him as a movie star, but when he was a comedian in the 70s, he was a huge, huge celebrity. He's probably the like giant comedian.

SPEAKER_03 37:55

Yeah, yeah. I've never seen uh people just don't know that, but I assume that comedy is not pretty, and that one uh you know our platinum albums. I'd be surprised if they there's certainly gotta be gold records, I don't think.

SPEAKER_02 38:09

At least another band we're excited to see reunite.

SPEAKER_03 38:13

Yeah, I got my tickets.

SPEAKER_02 38:17

Do you have do you have a go-to like favorite rush record? Does it change?

SPEAKER_03 38:23

It changes, it changes, and it surprises me too. So uh, you know, you you would not be wrong if you'd expected me to say the obvious thing, which is moving pictures, because it still holds up. It's so it's just so satisfying for all the right reasons. But you know what the other record that I fucking love, and I I sometimes I I used to wonder why is uh Power Windows, man.

SPEAKER_02 38:48

I love Power Windows. I'm so glad you said that.

SPEAKER_03 38:51

Yeah, that cold, icy album is really something different. And I know that there was some friction in the band around that time because Alex didn't think he was kind of you know getting to play guitar for, but man, there's tons of great guitar on that record. There is tons of great guitar on that record. I'm like, what's I'm I don't know, man. If the if the disagreement fueled what's on that record, then great, fight a little because yeah, I think I think it's their most underrated record. I'd agree. I don't know. There's a lot of underrated records, rush rush records, you know. And I'm not into all of them. You know, presto doesn't always uh get talked about in the best light, uh roll the bones, but there are great, great moments on all of those records. And um, but yeah, obviously the uh you know, Hemispheres, uh the day, you know, the first record with John Rutze. Yeah, love that record all good. It's it's it's rush.

SPEAKER_02 39:45

I feel like Fly by Night is a record I return to a lot, you know, Neath Between Behind and uh ITOR and Snow Dog and Anthem and Um Making Memories, one of my favorites. Um that that they never play live because it has acoustic and slide. And I don't know, maybe they'll bring out extra musicians and do deep cuts like Making Memories and Cinderella Man.

SPEAKER_03 40:06

That'd be great, you know. Play, you know, go deep on 2112. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:10

So speaking of going deep, talk about one of my favorite metal records right here.

SPEAKER_03 40:16

You can talk about that whole record. I can talk about House of a Thousand Pleasures and uh um Flashback Heart Attack. I shouldn't, you know, I own that record based on your recommendation. You should put that in I don't I need the CD. I am embarrassed to say I don't have a functioning turntable over here at we're gonna work it out for you, brother. Yeah, because uh that record has uh a lot to um a lot to offer, I believe. I have to believe you.

SPEAKER_02 40:43

Gene Simmons uh dis discovered them. They were a band called Flatbacker in Japan. Oh, really? And he discovered discovered them, took them to this stage, got this record out, and then Firefire, the follow-up testimony great songs on that one. Uh the guy's the tone of his voice uh just was epic. Just like there was that grit to it that was a good thing.

SPEAKER_03 41:03

Yeah, that was a good find, Gene.

SPEAKER_02 41:05

I like them better than Hurricane. That was my my Japanese medal. Oh, really? Now I'm I'm gonna bring up an album to you that I feel is one of the great debuts.

SPEAKER_03 41:16

Oh, yeah, another record you're more equipped to talk about than me. I I know that title track, and there's a big hit on that record. It's um which one is it?

SPEAKER_02 41:25

Um everyone's 10,000 Lovers. And 10,000 Lovers.

SPEAKER_03 41:28

10,000 Lovers is on that record, yeah, yeah. Yeah, man, we played we played that to death at KNAC 10,000 Lovers.

SPEAKER_02 41:35

Yeah. You know, I mean that guy, the stratospheric vocals, that was at a time when every guy who could, you know, it was like a contest to see who could sing the highest. Yeah. And nowadays that would it would be hard pressed to think of that as being a thing again.

SPEAKER_03 41:50

But you know what? If they put that band, if they put that band together and brought it around, people would go. Yeah, I was at the whiskey not that long ago. Um, oh shoot, what's the uh um the guy's uh he was never really on my radar. Oh, and he's got short hair, and he's uh shit. Well, anyway, that kind of music has an audience, and they will. I mean, you're not gonna play the forum, but you know you want to play to several uh like a pack sold out. You know Steelheart, that's what I'm trying to think of. Steelheart. I saw Steelheart long uh I don't know last year at the whiskey. It was you couldn't move. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:30

Sweet electric love child. Great song. Um, what are some what are some albums that you I I like asking this question that you acknowledge have terrible production, but to hold a place of nostalgia for you where it's eminently listenable.

SPEAKER_03 42:44

We were just having this discussion, or maybe I was just reading about it the other day. Uh the first Iron Maiden record is not um really known for having great production, it's got killer performances and songs on it. But um, yeah, the pr, you know, Steve Harris was saying that that could have been a great record, you know, and I'm like, well, I I know what you're saying. It is a great record, but I know what you're saying because once uh um what's his name moved in uh on the at the controls, um help me out, um Robin, not Robin Black, uh the producer of all the Shirley, but that's like way later. No, no, all the great the the the anyway the he started with killers and then went all the way through once that I mean dude, you listen to to the debut and killers and like wow dude, they stepped it way, way up. And then it's another huge leap to you know a number thing. Uh yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 43:42

Um so sometimes it's that a record it wasn't very well produced, other times it's that it was maybe usually the eighties and it has kind of an eighties production.

SPEAKER_03 43:50

Yeah, there's a lot of gated drums and all that dated stuff. You know, the other record, the the record that everybody loves to hate on for its production is Born Again, Black Sabbath. And um I don't know if they have a point. I say it's just got a sound that is not necessarily the, you know, the the the first hook that gets you, but I freaking love that record. They they're talking about like you know, remixing that record, and I'm all for it. Yeah, do it.

SPEAKER_02 44:21

That's cool. I'm I'm gonna show you a record that for some reason I just love this record, but I acknowledge that it's produced in a very 80s way. Zebra 3.5.

SPEAKER_03 44:32

Oh wow, yeah, you know that record.

SPEAKER_02 44:35

I do, and I actually I I got to um one day run into the singer of Zebra, Randy Jackson, and I told him that I love that, and it was my favorite, and he's like, Oh my god, me too. I feel like this is the power windows of Zebra album.

SPEAKER_03 44:49

Oh wow. Um, Zebra's power.

SPEAKER_02 44:52

Great songwriting. I mean, just great melodies and hooks, and obviously with Zebra, he sings in a falsetto, you gotta kinda know what I'm going in. But um, there's a song on here called Time. Uh that just a killer killer rock tune.

SPEAKER_03 45:06

I I I owe it to Zebra to get more in down with them. I know, you know, obviously uh who's behind the door and tell me what you want. Um I've heard Take Your Fingers from My Hair uh and a bunch of their other songs a few times, but like they haven't right, you know, really uh digested the way not not every band is gonna hit you that way, but I think if they hit you back in the day, again, you you retain some nostalgia.

SPEAKER_02 45:33

Zebra or T-Ride or you know, whoever couple backdoor Romeo. Um you get a fondness for something and it just rem maybe reminds you of a time. I mean, when you had your first car and you were driving and you had the stereo cranked, what tune reminds you of that feeling of freedom in that car?

SPEAKER_03 45:54

Probably probably the first Ingve Momstein records. Yeah. The first two or three for sure. Um oh uh done with mirrors. I was d immersed in those records in my early college years when I had my first car. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:10

What would be a song that reminds you of feeling like you had a crush on someone when you were a teenager?

SPEAKER_03 46:17

If it can't have you, Eileen Cara. Really? Yeah, I had yeah, we I always had a crush on some girl, and I was and it was always unrequited love.

SPEAKER_02 46:28

What song? Okay, so what song represented heartbreak to your teenage self?

SPEAKER_03 46:32

Same song, or any of those songs. Uh any of those Bee Gees, uh, you know, ballad, ballad songs or the ones that Samantha sang. Uh what was her uh Emotion. Emotion. Oh my god. Those songs still get to me. I they're there's they're dripping, they're so finely crafted, and the performances on them are so honest, I think. Yeah, they they certainly convey the heartbreak, I think, uh in an honest way. Um that current pop singers just I don't know, they don't seem to get. It's so so different.

SPEAKER_02 47:10

Um finding finding authentic music nowadays is trickier. But you know, these records we're talking about going back to those days, it was no auto-tune, and you had to come in and sing.

SPEAKER_03 47:22

Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, they could comp a comp a track, but that's still still you singing.

SPEAKER_02 47:28

Or get a drummer to replace you if you're the drummer, you know. We just got this guy to come in and play your part, so you're um who um have you seen live that is no longer around that you're really, really glad you caught in concert? Um like somebody, maybe whether you caught him early or late, but that you you caught them and you were Yeah, geez.

SPEAKER_03 47:53

Well, uh I'm glad I saw as many rush shows as I saw, you and me.

unknown 47:57

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 47:58

Um, I'm thinking of I I only saw Johnny Winter a couple of times, and the sec the last time I saw him, uh I shouldn't have gone. But the first time that I saw him, whoa. Yeah. Down at the coach house in San Juan Capistrano, he was killing in there. And oh gosh, man, who else? We've lost so too many, so many. I mean, Eddie Van Halen.

SPEAKER_00 48:24

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:25

I, you know, glad I got to see him as many times as I did.

SPEAKER_02 48:29

Yeah. What's um I mean, it's there's so many questions I could ask you because I just love talking about music and uh, you know, shows and stuff. What was a band that you saw early on um before they were famous that got really big, but when you saw them, you just didn't you didn't think like that was gonna happen.

SPEAKER_03 48:49

Um, I'm sure there's a better answer than this, but um I saw um I saw Metallica open for Aussie in '86 on Master of Puppets. Wow. Which also answers the question uh uh the previous one. I'm glad I saw Cliff Burton at least once.

SPEAKER_00 49:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:08

Um, I don't think that I didn't think Metallica would be massive because even even geez, uh, you know, Helen Keller would would know that.

SPEAKER_02 49:18

Like you know, there's a monsters of rock, they were like monsters of rock, they went on before Dockett.

SPEAKER_03 49:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:25

That was 88.

SPEAKER_03 49:26

Yeah, yeah, that was that was 88. So so that was probably the second time I saw them. So the first one was um Ultimate Sin, uh Unbelievable. Another situation where uh it was GA in the front, and like you couldn't breathe, and I was in the front row. Yeah, and then yeah, that Monsters of Rock show was another show I almost like, you know, bodily injury was just a hair away. And uh then Master of Puppets. So I saw Metallica many times on their way up. Yeah, and um, you know, my I I I love telling this story. I don't it I never hear anybody else tell it, but when they came out for the Black Rec, uh Black album, yeah, I think it was like six, I don't forget how many shows were sold out at the forum, and they're played in the round. And um KNAC set us up, me and Dangerous Darren and a few others of us, like with really close tickets. But that's not important. What is important was that you know uh there was all this controversy. Has Metallica sold out, you know, this song is too accessible, where's the you know, blah, blah, blah. And like, I don't know if KISS FM was dabbling in playing it, but I think they might have been. So, anyway, lights go down, the crowd goes nuts, outwalks Metallica, first song out of the gate, enter Sandman. What? Oh my god, boom, killing it. Uh it's just the place, it's like on the verge of exploding when the when the song is over, right? They take a beat, Hetfield walks up to the mic and he goes, Okay, there's the big hit. If that's the song you guys came to see, you can get the fat, you can get the fuck out right now.

SPEAKER_00 51:07

Right.

SPEAKER_03 51:08

I've never heard anybody say anything close to that uh in a show. Telling people to get out. If you're a bandwagon fan, there you go. Bye. Good night. That was awesome.

SPEAKER_02 51:22

Have you have you seen any um like accidents or mishaps happen on stage at a show to a band member or audience member? Oh, were you at the Iron Maiden San Bernardino show? Was I there with you? When uh on Osvest? When they kept shutting the PA off when with I was like Osvest.

SPEAKER_03 51:42

No, I heard about that.

SPEAKER_02 51:43

Oh, I was there. They uh like at first, um I believe Kelly went out and was throwing eggs on stage at Iron Maiden. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:51

Yeah, you don't want to cross the Osborne family.

SPEAKER_02 51:53

No, I think it it was that Bruce had made a comment about not needing a teleprompter.

SPEAKER_03 51:59

Yeah, which was a a a dig at Ozzy. It was um Roger Waters is learning that lesson right now, I think, too.

SPEAKER_02 52:06

Yes, he is. But so they they Kelly threw eggs on stage from down in the pit, which sucky, and then Sharon had somebody show her where the entire switch for the stage power was, and she kept shutting the power up and mid-song.

SPEAKER_03 52:23

I love that stuff, man.

SPEAKER_02 52:25

Um were you at the maiden show where Bruce slipped and fell next to the drums? No. It was like you know, the stage had two risers on either side, and he ran and like slid and then went over lying next to the drums, like not moving for way too long. And the guys are jamming looking at him, and they pull him off stage, and he ran out a couple minutes later. Like, what the hell?

SPEAKER_03 52:47

I'm sure I have. I don't like I've I'm not coming up with anything. Oh, well, in our own band, The Toxic Undershorts, um, yeah, our singer Crazy Craig went to go do like a backflip off of the uh wedge in the front, and uh it was at the um it was at the marquee uh in Garden Grove, which is a great little place, but he found out just how low those ceiling and the light trusses were that night. He like knocked himself out cold for a second.

SPEAKER_02 53:17

You know, I want to say I saw a Jeffreya show. Oh wow, Greg Goldie did a flip and slipped and fell. I was it was at a uh an outdoor water park in South Florida called Atlantis the Water Kingdom.

SPEAKER_03 53:32

That's the thing about playing water parks, you know, there's a lot of Suntown lotion and water.

SPEAKER_02 53:36

Yes, you know, you're you're you're well um so I I love this chat, and we could do this like an hour every week and and catch up. Um, but I just I wanted to get to talk to you because I love going to shows with you, and uh, you know, we always talk about music and have a love for music.

SPEAKER_03 53:54

We can oh yeah, we can always have that discussion uh as as equals, you know, and I've always got something to offer, and you've always got something to offer. It's great. I hope uh I hope this is uh you know well received by whoever the the audience is supposed to be.

SPEAKER_02 54:08

Uh we're gonna see out there. I mean, I I love having these kind of discussions, and I I'm gonna open the gates to more um and also do a lot of stuff of going through album credits and talking about the people playing on the different records or producers and stuff. So that's a an important light to shine, you know.

SPEAKER_03 54:25

Well, I'm happy to come back anytime, man. I think it's great. By the way, props on the coconut teaser shirt. That's going back.

SPEAKER_02 54:33

So, what do you did you go to all those clubs back then, the guitaris and all that?

SPEAKER_03 54:37

Oh, yeah, man. Um, I didn't I didn't get to go to guazares too many times. I did go in there at least once because I remember being there, but I went to the teaser many times. And you know, the Roxy, the Whiskey, Viper Room, the Central, as it was called before the Viper Room, and obviously you know, Jubidor. Yeah, I went to the country club a couple of times. Uh never made it to the Starwood, but uh, you know, try to get around and yeah, see all these great rooms.

SPEAKER_02 55:03

That's awesome. That must have been such a great time.

SPEAKER_03 55:06

It was, and it and it is. It's always great. In fact, uh, we need to bounce because I'm going to the whiskey tonight to see Bullet Boys.

SPEAKER_02 55:13

Well, all right. Well, smooth up in you, buddy. Thank you so much for being here, and I will talk to you soon. All right.

SPEAKER_03 55:19

Talk to you soon, brother.